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Herman Miller Aeron Review (2023) | Mesh Office Chair (Remastered Edition)

The Aeron by Herman Miller was considered to me by many experts as being one of the best office chairs.

This particular chair model has gained popularity because it focuses on solving the needs of people who spend a long amount of time working at a desk.

Remastered EditionThe Remastered Aeron Edition has a loyal community, though some users say it received more praise than it deserves.

That’s why I thought I’d try the task chair for myself.

I’ve been looking for a universally good ergonomic office chair for a while, and I was intrigued by the critics and appreciation Aeron received.

This gave me the chance to try it for 8 to 12 hours each day for a few weeks. This review is my personal experience with Herman Miller’s Aeron, though I will include some experts’ and users’ reviews here.

I will detail all its features in terms of pros and cons, so you can figure out whether this would be a good chair for your needs.

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About Herman Miller Company

The Herman Miller Company has a good reputation on the market thanks to its long tradition in manufacturing quality office furniture. Its history started in 1905 when Michigan Star Furniture Company was founded.

This home office furniture business was bought in 1923 by one of its employees, a clerk named De Pree. De Pree received financial assistance from his father in law, named Herman Miller.

About Company Herman Miller

As a tribute to his help, De Pree gave Michigan Star Furniture the name we all know it today: Herman Miller.

The company had to go through the troubled times of the great depression and therefore changed to the more profitable sector of office furniture.

The reasons it succeeded was because it hired reputable designers and focused on a wide range of products. From modern to classic to industrial office furniture, Herman Miller could cater to every taste.

Herman Miller continued its expansion and brought various furniture companies under its umbrella. Today, this company is a large brand in the world of office furniture, with factories on three continents and sales on over a hundred countries.

Herman Miller Logo

During this time, Herman Miller received tens of awards both for its innovative designs, its impressive work culture, as well as for its gender diversity policy, and its support to working women and healthcare patients.

One of the most recent is the 2017 “Good Design Award” in the Furniture and Lighting category, awarded by the Industrial Design Council of Australia for the remastered Aeron.

Aeron Chair Review (Pros and Cons)

Herman Miller Aeron

Pros

Build Quality / Great Design

This model has a stylish design and top craftsmanship. This is a solid, comfortable, and ergonomic chair in which you can spend hours.

 Made in USA and Parts Made Only For This Chair

This model is manufactured in the USA so you can rely on its comfort and quality materials. Its parts are custom-made, not generic pre-ordered parts that are stuck together with all sorts of gaps.

Mesh Material – Most Comfortable

The type of mesh in the Aeron is flexible, breathable, and supportive for long hours.

12 YearsWarranty – No Exclusion

It comes with a strong, 12-year warranty that shows Herman Miller’s confidence in Aeron’s durability and free shipping.

Comes Fully Assembled

This means you can use the Aeron right out of the box.

Up to 350 lb Weight Capacity

It is comfortable and supportive for heavy people as well.

Smooth Easy Motion Natural Recline

The recline function is balanced and secure, helping you alleviate backaches and relax.

Arm Rest Comfort – Best Out of All Chairs

The armrests are comfortable and supportive, thanks to their high adjustability and soft arm pads.

Optional PostureFit Lumbar Adjustment 

The adjustable lumbar support is a user-friendly feature, especially combined with the PostureFit SL design. You can adjust the lumbar any way you want to for increased support.

Optional Forward Tilt Mechanism

This option is useful for people who type for long periods, inclining you forward so you can keep your back straight while typing on the keyboard. This position is more ergonomic and supportive for marathon writing than sitting upright.

Environmentally Friendly

This model contains a high percentage of recyclable materials made in a greenhouse facility with renewable energy. As such, the chair’s environmental impact is low.

24/7 Use Rated

You can sit in the Aeron for prolonged periods, whether you’re an executive, writer, or working at a call center. The warranty still stands even if you use the Aeron around the clock.

Cons

Mesh Seat May Not Be Comfortable For Everyone

Mesh seats have their worshippers as well as their detractors. The Aeron uses top-quality mesh, but even that might cause you thigh stiffness if you’re sitting 12+ hours per day for a week.

Mesh Could Be Firm For Some People

Some people might not appreciate the backrest because of its firmness.

Missing Ergonomic Adjustment Options Due to 3 Sizes That Aeron Has

It comes in three sizes so, if you choose the wrong size for your body type, some ergonomic adjustments might not fit you right.

I’m talking about seat depth, arm width, and back heights. You can solve that by picking the right size from the get-go!

This can be difficult if you want to buy all the employees in your chairs for their desks, or if you share the Aeron with someone else.

Unlike other top-rated chairs, this office chair doesn’t have seat depth and back height adjustment, although I would have expected those features at this price range.

Metal Frame

The seat and backrest are supported with a thick metal frame, which you can feel on your hamstring, outer thighs, calves, or upper back.

Few Color Options

The remastered Aeron doesn’t have a wide array of color choices. The Aeron’s color palette sticks to metallic, white-grey-black shades so that you won’t find it in bright, vibrant colors.

Most Notable Features

Most Notable Features Table

  • Arm Adjustment
  • Lumbar Support Adjustments
  • Height adjustment
  • Tilt tension adjustment
  • Forward tilt
  • Tilt lock
  • Breathable mesh backrest

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Specifications Table

Chair SizeSmall (A)Medium (B)Large (C)
Height38.5”41”43”
Seat Height14.75-19”16-20.5”16”-20.5
Width25.75”27”28.25”
Depth16”16.75”18.5”
Weight Capacity300 lbs350 lbs350 lbs
Seat Dimensions15.75”W x 16.75”D17”W x 16.75”D18.25”W x 18.5”D
Backrest Dimensions20.25”W x 21”H21.5”W x 22”H22.75”W x 23”H
Distance Between Armrests16”W17”W18”W
Arms Lowest Height from Floor21.75”H23”H24.75”H
Arms Highest Height from Floor30.25”H31.5”H26.25”H
Base Dimensions27”W27”W27”W
Weight40 lbs41 lbs43 lbs
Shipping Box Dimensions41″ x 28″ x 27″41″ x 28″ x 27″41″ x 28″ x 27″
Shipping Box Weight45 lbs46 lbs48 lbs

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Warranty & Return Policy

This unit comes with a 30-day return policy, so you can return this chair if you don’t like it. The bonus is that you will receive a full refund of your shipping cost from Herman Miller.

The only caveat is you need to pack it in the original box. Otherwise, you can rely on the company’s reliable customer support to help you send it back.

Return Policy & Warranty

The 12-year warranty is well above the industry standard, and it includes all parts, but keep in mind that the small, size A version of the Aeron is covered for a maximum weight of 300 pounds.

The medium and large sizes (B and C) can support a maximum of 350 pounds. The warranty allows you around-the-clock customer support.

Repairing costs are covered by Herman Miller. For extensive repairs, the company will send on-site technicians to your home, but this depends on your location.

Build Quality

The Aeron is a top-quality chair, and among the best chairs, I’ve reviewed so far.

Herman Miller pulled no stops when designing this chair or using top materials.

-From the grade-A steel frame to molded aluminum parts to the patented mesh backrest, Herman Miller used quality materials.

The craftsmanship is exemplary, considering that all of Aeron’s parts are designed and manufactured specifically for this chair.

Parts of Chair

This model doesn’t use generic parts you can find in other chairs, which raises its ergonomic value and durability.

The reason is that all parts fit perfectly, without wiggling. This clean design isn’t just durable and functional, but also stylish.

Design

It has been remastered for modern workers and the work environment in mind. The chair is adjusted for better performance and reengineered for better health, and refined for modern environments.

The Herman Miller Remastered Aeron has a curved backrest that follows the natural shape of your spine and elongates under your buttocks.

This anatomically correct design is ergonomic, comfortable, and supportive. As a result, your posture is improved. You can keep your back straight, your shoulders back and your hips open.

Aeron Design Pictures

This positive posture directly affects your spinal health. Because you are supported and can maintain a good posture, you won’t feel any backaches, joint stiffness, or pain.

The Aeron’s elements combine perfectly, to complement and enhance this ergonomic design.

Armrests (Herman Miller Aeron Chair Adjustable Arms)

The armrests allow you to move naturally while sitting in the Aeron chairs. That’s because they’re attached to the backrest, which promotes a positive posture.

Chair's ArmrestsThere are three options for the armrests’ adjustability: stationary, height-adjustable, and wholly adjustable. The first two options are self-explanatory.

The fully adjustable armrests offer depth adjustment and pivoting movements apart from height adjustments.

These 3D armrests are easy to customize and support your arms well while you’re moving, though other chairs offer more armrest adjustability options. You can also choose the armrests’ upholstery: standard or leather.

The standard option is made with polyurethane foam, which is soft and provides good comfort. The leather option is soft and looks stylish, but it’s less breathable.

Backrest

Apart from its SL design, it’s worth noting that the backrest is made with 8Z Pellicle mesh.

8Z Pellicle MaterialThe backrest is supportive whether you’re reclining or not thanks to the PostureFit design and the mesh’s flexibility.

What is Herman Miller PostureFit?

Patented PostureFit from Herman Miller gives back support at the sacral region and at the base of your spine, helping the pelvis to prevent slouching by maintaining a natural forward tilt. The Classic Aeron PostureFit Support Kit is advised for someone who sits up straight to perform various tasks.

This type of mesh is also highly breathable. There are three options for the backrest.

The standard one offers zonal back support, without the lumbar support.

The adjustable lumbar support option includes a lumbar pillow.

The most advanced option is the adjustable PostureFit SL, which features eight pressure zones for increased support and perfect fit.

Seat

Aeron’s seat is made with 8Z pellicle mesh too. While this material is soft, flexible, and supportive, it’s not cushiony. As such, the firm seat is touted by some and despised by others.

Picture Of Seat The seat has protuberant side bolsters, which render an enveloping sitting position.

On the other hand, you can feel the bolsters through your hips and outer thighs if you choose a size that’s too small for you.

In this case, the bolster design might also feel confining instead of supportive.

The seat isn’t thickly padded, so, if you choose a size that’s too small for your weight, you can also feel the frame underneath the Aeron.

Another negative is the lack of seat depth adjustment, which would have made the Aeron more versatile.

Material & Environmental Sustainability

It uses top materials – I’ve already told you about the top 8Z Pellicle mesh that covers the backrest and seat.

This mesh contains 44% polyester and 56% elastomer, which is why it provides increased flexibility and support. This mesh is soft and supple; it won’t damage your clothes or give you skin rashes.

Another advantage is that the 8Z Pellicle mesh has a long lifespan because it can resist 200,000 double rubs. On the downside, this product features no padding, which would have provided a more cushiony material.

Materials Of Chair

The frame and base are reliable, sturdy, and resistant because they’re manufactured from metal.

The recycled-steel frame and recycled-aluminum base material add to the Aeron’s overall 40+ pounds weight and aren’t as durable as glass fiber or carbon fiber, but they are solid nonetheless.

The wheel casters have a 2.5-inch diameter, so they’re larger than the industry standard. The casters are made from resistant black nylon, which enables smooth rolling over a wide array of surfaces.

2.5-Inch Diameter WheelsYou can choose two different types of casters. The carpet casters are suitable for low to medium-pile carpets.

The hard floor casters boast an additional soft tread which makes them silent on hard floors.

This tread also increases the casters’ grip on surfaces like concrete, wood or tile.

You can also choose these casters for a carpeted room if you need a reliable braking system.

That said, Herman Miller is an environmentally-conscious brand, and the Aeron is 91% recyclable. This chair uses 39% recyclable materials and 38% post-consumer content.

Besides, the Greenhouse manufacturing factory where the Aeron is manufactured uses only renewable electric energy.

Green Guard Chair Certification

The corrugated cardboard material used for packaging the Aeron is made from recycled materials and composes 99% of the total packaging.

As such, the Aeron has various environmental certifications under its belt thanks to its quality, eco-friendly materials, and its low impact on indoor air quality.

These Certifications are BIFMA™ level 3, CRADLE TO CRADLE™, GREENGUARD GOLD, and Silver GREENGUARD.

Herman Miller Chairs – Comfort & Ergonomic Adjustments

The Aeron is a comfortable chair with some ergonomic adjustments, although other office chairs feature more options.

In this case, I felt the lack of both seat depth and armrest width adjustments, although there are three sizes for the Aeron which compensate for these missing features to some degree.

That said, the arm height adjustment is an excellent addition because it supports a wide range of movements and body shapes, while you’re bending your elbows at a 90-degree angle.

The seat height adjustments are easy to make so you can lift or lower the chair between 14.75 to 19 inches for size A, and between 16 to 20.5 inches for sizes B and C. As such, your knees will be comfortably bent and supported at a 90-degree angle.

Weight And Height Adjusting

While there’s no back height adjustment, the lumbar support allows you to move the lumbar cushion to support your pressure points.

The tilt adjustment is another plus. The standard tilt mechanisms are specifically designed for this chair; it works smoothly and allows you to recline in a comfortable position.

The standard tilt features tension adjustment, which means the Aeron reclines as you apply pressure on it. The downside is that there isn’t a tilt lock that would secure the chair into place.

Aeron Adjustments

The Aeron is comfortable and supportive whether you recline back or sit upright. The Aeron is a flexible, dynamic chair, that moves with your body, which feels natural.

The optional forward tilt with tilt lock is a definite improvement. When you’re typing for long hours, you tend to lean forward over your keyboard, so your back loses support.

The Aeron solved this problem with its forward tilt, which positions the backrest at an acute angle, which is better for your back than a 90-degree angle.

The forward tilt comes with a tilt lock that locks the backrest in a fully upright position, at mid and at full recline.

Aeron Adjustment Two

Office chairs in the expensive range usually feature synchro-tilt mechanisms which allow the backrest and seat to move simultaneously to provide you dynamic support when you move.

Aeron’s tilting options don’t feature synchro-tilt, but you will still recline in a natural, comfortable, and supported way.

Durability

There are two aspects to consider here. First, the materials are all top-quality, made to last. The aluminum base and steel frame have a long lifespan.

The 8Z Pellicle Suspension mesh lasts years more than regular mesh because it’s more flexible and elastic so that it can accommodate various weights and movements.

Aluminium Based Material

The nylon used for the casters is sturdy because it’s not a cheap sort of plastic.

Secondly, Herman Miller offers a Twelve-year warranty for 24/7 use of the Aeron. According to this, the Aeron will last at least 12 years, though its realistic lifespan is closer to two decades.

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Customization Options

        You Can Customize This Chair With Additional Options:

  • Optional Aeron Chair Headrest: this takes the pressure off your neck and shoulders, limiting upper body strain and stiffness.
  • Optional Posture Fit Lumbar Adjustment: this support can accommodate people who spend long hours sitting in the Aeron because it minimizes the risk of back pain.
  • Optional Forward Tilt Option: your back is supported even when you sit at a comfortable acute angle. This position is comfortable for people who type a lot.
  • Adjustable Lumbar Support: this support cushion for your lower back increases back comfort.
  • Height-Adjustable Arms: move your arms at different angles to avoid wrist strain.
  • Arms are Fully Adjustable: move your arms in 3D for more fluid, dynamic adjustments.
  • Leather Arm Pads: soft and elegant.
  • 5” Casters for Hard Floors: good grip for hard floors like cement, tile or wood, with an excellent braking system.
  • Mineral/ Satin Aluminum color: white-grey.
  • Mineral / Polished Aluminum: metallic grey.
  • Graphite / Polished Aluminum: black chair and backrest, metallic frame.

Chair Size Guide

I’ve already hinted at Aeron’s three sizes, so you can choose one that fits your purpose and build.

3 SizesThe upside for Aeron’s three different sizes is that you can get the one that best accommodates and supports your particular body shape.

Most top-range office chairs aim to accommodate 95% of people with a universal model that allows a wide range of adjustments.

On the other hand, the Aeron can accommodate 99% of people with its three sizes. So, you’re guaranteed to find an Aeron size that fits, no matter who you are.

The downside is that one single size can’t offer a versatile fit for more people unless they all have similar body types.

Chair Size A (Small)

  • Total Height: 38.5 inches
  • Height (seat): 14.75-19 inches
  • Weight Capacity: 300 pounds.
  • Seat: 15.75 x 16.75 inches
  • Backrest : 20.5 x 21 inches
  • Armrest Height: 21.75 – 30.25 inches
  • Aeron Chair Weight: 40 pounds

Chair Size B (Medium)

  • Total height: 41 inches
  • Seat Height: 16 – 20.5 inches
  • Weight Capacity: 350 pounds
  • Seat: 17 x 16.75 inches
  • Backrest: 21.5 x 22 inches
  • Armrest Height: 23 x 31.5 inches
  • Chair Weight: 41 pounds

Chair Size C (Large)

  • Total height: 43 inches
  • Seat Height: 16 – 20.5 inches
  • Weight Capacity: 350 pounds
  • Seat: 18.25 x 18.5 inches
  • Backrest: 22.75 x 23 inches
  • Armrest Height: 24.75 x 26.25 inches
  • Chair Weight: 43 pounds

Price

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Price ranges differ for standard packages and additional options. The standard Aeron version can be bought at $920 and features a graphite-colored frame and base, regular recline, stationary arms with PU pads, carpet casters, and basic back support.

Below Are the Costs for Different Updates and Customization You May Want to Include:

  • Mineral frame, polished aluminum base: $260.00
  • Mineral frame, satin aluminum base: $220.00
  • Fully adjustable arms: $160.00
  • Graphite frame, polished aluminum base: $120.00
  • Tilt limiter and seat angle: $100.00
  • Height-adjustable (arm): $100.00
  • Adjustable PostureFit SL: $95.00
  • Leather arm pads: $80.00
  • Adjustable lumbar support: $75.00
  • Casters for hard floors: $50.00

These adjustments add another $760 – $920 to the price which can get expensive.

Why Herman Miller Chairs are Expensive?

Herman Miller chairs can be pretty pricey because they guarantee to provide you with perfect posture and help to prevent back and wrist pain from staying in a seated position for long time periods spans of time. Also, all of them are made from high-quality material, and it is trusted by top national brands.  Herman MillerCompany also provides a 12-year warranty when you purchase it. The brand believes in their chair’s ability to be relaxed and better for your health and that they provide a long 12-year warranty on most of their products.

How Сan You Tell a Fake Herman Miller Aeron?

Great furniture features well-designed legs, right? Let’s go to the top left corner of the icon with a giant white “A.” What’s that? The leg’s thickness changes based on where you click. On the right is the second type of icon with a small, dark arrow pointing to the left. Does that leg go with that? The one on the left is a milled arm with an A shape at one end. When I clicked it, it would snap into a socket in the upper right corner of the icon, which was also a milled arm. I think the one on the right is a bit more realistic. When I clicked it, it would snap into a small hole next to the fabric spool.

Of course, both could be imaginary: either way, you’d be right. Herman Miller’s Aeron chair is getting a major facelift this year, and the designers at Nuance want you to “thrive in your new future home.” They’re focusing on the cushioning, which appears to be made of a new type of EVA foam that’s been combined with classic leathers. I hope Herman Miller does this! It’d be nice to have to cushion that doesn’t make me feel like I’m sitting on a foam mattress.

Why is Aeron So Expensive?

No question. Aeron Chair has a history of expense. Sure, you can buy it used from a previous owner, but be careful because you’ll have to spend a minimum of $7K to find an original one. Realtors selling homes in Detroit have to warn potential buyers about a $37,000 fee to move into a home with an Aeron chair. If you think it’s hard to find a good deal on this couch, it gets worse. The chairs have an upper price tag of $50,000 to $70,000, depending on the quality. Aeron Chair History. The Chair had its beginnings in the mid-1980s before Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway bought it for $412 million in 2014.

According to Todd Hirsh, CEO of Aeron Chair, the original creator of the chair was Don Smith. Hirsh said Smith made his first successful chair in 1966. According to Hirsh, Aeron Chair made a name for itself in the ’70s, thanks to a red laser light concept that made the chair stand out. Along with red, the chairs were sold in a variety of colors: blue, purple, green, orange, yellow, red, black, and white.

How Long Can You Sit in Herman Miller Aeron?

The Aeron is one of those chairs that, just by looking at it, you know it’s going to be comfortable. It has a classic form, a silhouette reminiscent of those chairs that most of us wore as little kids. It’s bulky and it’s thin, with arms and a slightly curvy back. The good news is that it’s super comfy. I’ve been using it for nearly a year now, and I can’t imagine any chair that’s more comfortable for long periods of time. I can sit in it for five or six hours, and I don’t even notice it’s there. The Aeron is also a great companion to my phone. Just rest your arm on the backrest and tap away on it, or use your phone to play music while you work.

Where the Aeron Is Better Than Some of the Competition. The shape and the material are great, but it’s just the basics. There are other chairs on the market that have strong cords and have the ability to add a couple of additional foam pads to increase their comfort for extra long periods of sitting. The Threshold, for example, can hold up to 440 pounds and has a 6-position recline. The Miata, also from Herman Miller, is very similar in a different color scheme, but the Miata has a wider base and sits lower to the ground, so it’s a little less stable. The Aeron comes with some quality hardware and can easily be modified to be less boring and a little more purposeful. The extra-thick padding on the back of the chair, for example, can be removed, and the door can be blocked to give your feet more privacy while you work.

How Long Does a Herman Miller Aeron Last?

Herman Miller is all about improving the way that we work. They make the technology we need and the furniture we require. And although you have to spend a bit of money to get the best chair, these chairs are going to last you a long time. The problem with office chairs is that they are subject to wear and tear. Unlike furniture that will remain as beautiful as it was when it was first bought, once an office chair gets damaged it needs replacing.

So how long should a Herman Miller Aeron last? Let’s take a look…When Does the Aeron Go Out of Date? So what does Herman Miller tell us about the lifespan of their chairs? Well, to save you money buy a new chair when it needs replacing.

Are Aerons Comfortable?

Aerons, referring to the Herman Miller Aeron chair, are renowned for their ergonomic design and are generally considered comfortable by a wide range of users. However, comfort is a subjective matter and can vary from person to person based on individual preferences, body type, and specific use cases. Let’s explore the comfort aspects of Aerons in more detail.

Ergonomic Design: The Aeron chair is celebrated for its pioneering ergonomic design. It incorporates features like lumbar support, adjustable armrests, and a mesh backrest that conforms to the shape of the user’s back. These elements are intended to promote comfort and minimize strain during prolonged sitting.

Adaptive Fit: One of the standout features of the Aeron chair is its ability to adapt to the user’s body. The Pellicle mesh material provides a balanced level of support and breathability. It evenly distributes body weight, reducing pressure points and hotspots, which can enhance overall comfort during extended periods of sitting.

Customization: Aerons are available in various sizes to accommodate different body shapes. This customization allows users to select a chair that suits their physique, further enhancing comfort. Additionally, the chair offers multiple adjustment options, enabling users to fine-tune settings such as seat height, tilt, and armrest position to find their optimal comfort configuration.

Breathability: The mesh material used in Aeron chairs enhances air circulation, reducing the buildup of heat and humidity. This feature is particularly beneficial for individuals who spend extended hours sitting, as it helps prevent discomfort associated with sweating and sticking to the chair.

Long-Term Comfort: Users often report that Aeron chairs maintain their comfort over time. The materials used in these chairs are durable and can withstand the wear and tear associated with daily use. This durability contributes to the chair’s long-term comfort, as it retains its supportive features even after years of use.

Subjective Variability: While Aerons are generally considered comfortable, it’s important to note that individual preferences can vary. Some users may prefer a softer or firmer chair, while others may have specific comfort requirements based on their unique needs or physical conditions.

In conclusion, Aerons, such as the Herman Miller Aeron chair, are widely regarded as comfortable due to their ergonomic design, adaptive fit, customization options, and breathable materials. However, individual perceptions of comfort can vary, and some users may have specific preferences that differ from the general consensus. To ensure the best comfort experience, it’s recommended to try out the chair and make adjustments according to individual needs.

Conclusion: Thinking of Buying Herman Miller Office Chair?

The Aeron is a popular, feature-packed office chair, although it’s expensive. You can think of it as an investment in your well-being and back health because the chair is supportive, ergonomic, and can be used 24/7.

Backed by a 12-year warranty, the Aeron can fit people up to 350 pounds. You can find it in three sizes, so 99% of people can find a comfortable model that cushions and supports them.

The Herman Miller AeronThe ergonomic design is evident through its supportive, curved backrest and comfortable armrests. The recline option together with the 8Z Pellicle Suspension backrest makes it one of the coziest mesh chairs today.

On the downside, the Aeron isn’t a versatile office chair because it lacks seat depth, arm width, and back height adaptability. This problem can easily be solved by choosing the correct size from the get-go, though.

The mesh seat is a problem for some users too. So if you like thickly padded, cushiony sits, the Aeron might not be for you. If you’ve tried mesh seats before, and prefer firm support for your seat and thighs, Aeron is worth considering.

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